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第330章 朝议交子(下)(1 / 2)

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吕夷简出列奏道:“陛下,微臣以为孙副使此言万万不可,铜钱进入蜀地,如今一文铜钱可兑换十文铁钱,若是铜钱大批进入,铁钱势必大跌,百姓手中的铁钱只怕十五、二十文都换不到一文铜钱,岂不是弄的民怨沸腾,天怒人怨。“

赵祯笑了笑道:“吕相公此言却是差矣,钱币本身其实不必有价值,只是货物交换的凭据而已,何必执着于本身的高低贵贱,一枚铜钱,即可兑换十文铁钱,也可兑换五文铁钱,兑多兑少并非是以铜钱和铁钱本身的价值来决定的。”

吕夷简哪里能听得懂这些,他困惑的问道:“陛下,恕臣愚钝,铜钱比铁钱值钱,就是因为铜价高过铁价,才会这般,可陛下说兑多兑少是可任意为之,臣实在听不明白。”

赵祯得意了起来,这大宋的参知政事还要请教自己这个少年郎,师父的学识真是广博,连副相都不知道。

他向吕夷简科普道:“吕卿,朕给你打个比方,交子就是一张纸,可上面若是印上当十贯,这张交子是不是就值十贯钱,但交子本身又哪里又价值可言?”

吕夷简摇头道:“陛下,恕臣放肆,陛下这话可是有些不妥,这交子能随时在官府兑到铁钱,它只不过是张凭据而已,并非本身有甚价值。”

赵祯呵呵一笑道:“吕相此言不差,这便是官府有信誉,交子拿到官府,即可兑换铁钱,也可直接购买官仓的货物,这便叫做信用货币,铜钱本身有价值,交易时等若是以物换物,叫做实物货币,要想铁钱不大跌,朝廷收夏税时将铁钱认定为十文铁钱可抵一文铜钱,这铁钱还会大跌否?”

殿上群臣皆为五品以上,且有正式差遣的高官,没几个是傻瓜,听了赵祯的话后都如醍醐灌顶,一下子豁然开朗,原来只要有朝廷担保,哪怕是张纸那也是钱。

张士逊又出列自作聪明道:“陛下,如此说来我大宋天下亦可发行交子,朝廷钱荒未彻底解决,铸币又是个亏本生意,不妨发行交子以代替铜钱,缺钱时多印制一些岂不是可解燃眉之急。”

听到此言,孙冕皱了皱眉头,他素来不喜这个不懂实务的张士逊,尽出些馊主意,若不是看到他对陛下忠心,早就会处处挤兑于他。

孙冕出列复奏道:“张枢相此言又差矣,发行交子代替铜钱当为正道,但却并非现今能行之。交子欲代铜钱,首先必须保证交子能买到货物或是兑换到铜钱,我大宋虽是虽是粮食丰产,货物众多,可苦于天地广阔,运输极为困难,百姓拿着交子却买不到货物,必然不愿选择本身无价值的交子,而情愿保存有价值的铜钱,故暂不可行,此事须得蒸汽车船大行天下之时,物资四处流通,商贾们必然喜欢交子那样的货币,而不会用铜钱来交易。”

张士逊有只好讪讪的退下,王曾出列奏道:“陛下,陛下若是以官府来强行确定铁钱与铜钱的兑换价值,看着可行,实则不可行,天下刁民不少,若是他们故意私自铸造铁钱,朝廷岂不是白白亏进去铜钱而拿回来一堆无用的铁钱?”

赵祯道:“朕以为,若是想彻底解决川蜀一地的钱荒,应将铁钱全部回收废除,以铜钱和交子代之。”

李谘急忙出列奏道:“陛下,万万不可废除川蜀的铁钱,自开宝三年(970年)到淳化三年(992年),几处钱监铸钱一千余万贯,后来王贼、李贼造反,部分钱监停铸了十余年,可景德二年都开始重新铸钱,如今在川蜀之地只怕有几千万贯铜钱,若是废除铁钱,朝廷可得投入上千万贯铜钱,三司哪有那般财力?”

听到此言,殿上的重臣倒吸一口凉气,朝廷岁入不过两三千万贯铜钱,哪里能填的起这个窟窿,殿内群臣一时之间都哑口无言。

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